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matthompson
Snake Mite
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 Posted - 17/07/2009 : 14:27:53
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Hi everyone
Just want to get some views on a couple of points. I'm setting up for a variable kingsnake. I prefer an all glass enclosure, although these don't seem common for snakes !?? Also as a desert snake I'd like to use a sand substrate but again this doesnt seem common.
View on both very appreciated.
Many thanks
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jono2411
Yearling
United Kingdom
655 Posts |
Posted - 17/07/2009 : 15:29:38
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the glass viv like an exo-terra would be fine, although snakes don't like to feel exposed so you might want to cover a couple of the sides up with something...
And sand i think is fine as long as you feed out of the viv so there is no chance of impaction...
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1.0.0 Mexican Black Kingsnake : Baron Samedi
0.0.1 Apricot Pueblan Milksnake : (Hercule) Poirot
0.1.0 Striped Splotched Sinaloan Milksnake : Arminia
0.1.0 Pueblacorn - Cleopatra
0.0.3 Fire-Bellied Toads: Ghengis Khan, Bruce Lee & Chairman Mao
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matthompson
Snake Mite
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Posted - 17/07/2009 : 15:43:20
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| Many thanks for your response. While I understand the the concept of a snake consuming substrate while eating if this feeds on sand in the wild should this be a concern !? |
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Kehhlyr
The Resident Loon
United Kingdom
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Posted - 17/07/2009 : 16:38:45
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| Wild snakes are a LOT hardier (in some respects) than captive snakes, so the eating of substrate would probably not pose as much of a problem to wild animals. |
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jono2411
Yearling
United Kingdom
655 Posts |
Posted - 17/07/2009 : 17:01:31
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| its just a case of keeping your captive specimens as healthy as possible so we do things to prevent problems that might occur... im sure this kind of thing hapens in the wild and if it doesn't it might be bacuse snakes are feeding on dry, live rodents rather than F/T ones which when wet an pick and hold the substrate more easily... |
1.0.0 Mexican Black Kingsnake : Baron Samedi
0.0.1 Apricot Pueblan Milksnake : (Hercule) Poirot
0.1.0 Striped Splotched Sinaloan Milksnake : Arminia
0.1.0 Pueblacorn - Cleopatra
0.0.3 Fire-Bellied Toads: Ghengis Khan, Bruce Lee & Chairman Mao
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magneticblue
Kingsnake Forum Admin
United Kingdom
1511 Posts |
Posted - 17/07/2009 : 17:39:26
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| As has already been stated if you get a glass viv then you may need to cover at least two of the sides so that your snake feels secure. As well as this you may find it difficult to maintain a temperature gradient in a glass viv |
1.1.0 Arizona mountain king (Sylar and Claire)
0.1.0 Blotched king ( Jasmin)
1.1.0 Guyana red-tail boa (Hercules and Athena)
1.0.1 children (Alfie and BUMP)
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matthompson
Snake Mite
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Posted - 17/07/2009 : 17:41:29
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Thanks for your responses guys. Yes I can see how an F/T rodent could pick up a lot more rubbish than a live kill.
Does everyone here remove the snake for feeding ? Also how about if half the viv was a stone/slate base for clean feeding or would that be irrelevant as the snake could move onto the substrate while swallowing !? |
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lee2308
Kingsnake Forum Admin
United Kingdom
1609 Posts |
Posted - 17/07/2009 : 17:51:08
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| i have peices of slate in all my vivs for feeding on but my cali likes to drag it around for 10 mins before eatingso now i let her strike it and coil then lift her and the prey out into a tub.It is best to feed in a tub but some snakes wont. |
1.0 dumeril boa,0.1 bci boa,1.0 royal python,1.0 mbk kingsnake,1.0corn,1.2 chinese water dragon,0.0.1 bearded dragon
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Triangulum
Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 17/07/2009 : 18:30:30
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The only reason why "Fish Tank" style tanks are not overly common as most don't have suitable lids to keep a snake, Especially Lampropeltis species. You'd be suprised of what they can fit through, aswell as lift. Also, Glass Tanks are great for heating, either they give off to much heat which spreads through the hole glass panel on the bottom or they don't get hot enough. An other issue you have to look into is ventilation, not enough ventilation will make the atmosphere humid, especially with the waterbowl. As Lampropeltis species usually come from dry arid enviroments, a high humidity cage is only going to produce problems like mouth rot and respiratory infections.
In my opinion. If it's a display set-up you'd like, I go for Wooden Vivarium, Very secure and easy to clean. Great for regulating heat, nice to look at and come in different finishes. If it's just a suitable cage your after, I would house in a Plastic Tub. RUB's or other brands of Plastic containers, Obviously drilled with appropriate ventilation.
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matty18714
Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 17/07/2009 : 18:36:56
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Glass:
Pro's:
~ Easy to see animal and set-up
~ Easy to see dirt
~ Easy to clean
~ Has no problem with humidity (though thats not really needed for kings/milks)
Con's:
~ Doesnt hold heat well
~ Will get very hot if in sunlight
~ Can smash
~ Can crack if heatmat doesnt have ventilation
~ Snake can feel insecure
~ Can not fix light fittings to it
~ Depending on what kind of tank, some can only be opened from the top, which is fairly threatening for a snake
Wood:
Pro's:
~ Still fairly easy to clean
~ Removable front doors
~ Things can be screwed into the side of the viv
~ Holds heat well and is less affected by outside temps
~ Wooden vivs can be stacked ontop of each other
~ Snake is more likly to feel secure
Con's:
~ The wood can absorb moisture (including animal waste) if not sealed correctly
~ Less visability of pet
~ High humidity can be bad for the viv (not a problem with kings/milks)
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jono2411
Yearling
United Kingdom
655 Posts |
Posted - 17/07/2009 : 19:52:37
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| nice pro/con list matty... |
1.0.0 Mexican Black Kingsnake : Baron Samedi
0.0.1 Apricot Pueblan Milksnake : (Hercule) Poirot
0.1.0 Striped Splotched Sinaloan Milksnake : Arminia
0.1.0 Pueblacorn - Cleopatra
0.0.3 Fire-Bellied Toads: Ghengis Khan, Bruce Lee & Chairman Mao
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matty18714
Moderator
United Kingdom
450 Posts |
Posted - 17/07/2009 : 20:54:22
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| Cheers, wrote it on TCS a few weeks ago and thought I had better save it. |
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Glass viv's and substrate ques !?
